This is the first discussion page. I will try to add more pages in the following months(I hope).
Yes, let me write an important thing about Quran.
Lots of people has attacked Islam on internet and they say that we are full of hate, murder, jihad etc. Can I say something?If we are really like believers of a religion you think, or if the first muslims really felt frightened about what others thought about islam and jihad, they might dare to change the verses with a soft meaning. Think; could people accept islam, a religion which delivered hate and murder and jihad? That religion must have had good things to be accepted.
Imagine that someone might have asked "what are we going to do then, nobody could want to be muslim with those verses?" One could have offered such a solution. "Let's change verses of Quran, or at least we must remove the verses about war and jihad" :)
What a nice solution, wasn't it? Well, did oldies do that? (like your ancient Roman priests do to bible.) NO...
WHY NOT?
The answer is easy. Because Muslims must have chosen God's words to theirs(human's). They were afraid of God, not human's ideas about Islam.
Now let's finish the story...
We don't have to prove what we are, who we are. We know ourselves. We did not change our holy book to show it different than itsef. Quran is Quran. Quran is original God's words. If a muslim changed only a letter of Quran, he would be infidel, heathen.
To Quran if Muslims aren't attacked or insulted by other communities or countries with a desire of war, we can't attack or kill anybody. Islam is a peaceful religion, no one can claim the oppsite.
What is all this technology, weapons, etc..They have a few aims;
1- To earn more money than others and become wealthy.
2- As a result of that we can beat the others.
There has been a rivalry between the tribes and later countries since the creation. Even between the sons of Adam. Do we need that competition? Wasn't it better if we sat in our lands and worked for living and then prayed and then desired heaven and tried to gain it. If the olds couldn't do that, we would have to do that for peace on earth. All holy books has given one message. Pray your Creator, don't behave badly, no sins so you can go to heaven. If not, you will be put into hell. The aim of God is; He creates human so that they worship Him and if human shows respect to their Creator, as a result of that they will go to heaven. Today I think we all are gaining our hell by killing people.
Will we live for our own desires or will we live for God's will?
But if someone says like that; your god and mine are different. Mine says that you can kill people to get this, that etc.. Of course there would be no peace on earth. And some say that Jew's Talmud says so. So the evil on earth has been coming from Jews. Because they caused prophets's death, God says no good things about them in Quran. But donot say "kill Jews etc". The problem is about belief.
You are accusing us of doing 9-11. But some christians are accusing Israel for that, some are accusing of CIA for that. Why do people believe all they watch and see on the net without searching? If net is true, a fact, then watch and belive these stories too.
Why The Military Knows Israel Did 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVKGRB3cygg
9/11 Suspects: The Dancing Israelis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XHm56O2NTI&t=0s
Did Israel's Mossad Do 9/11?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bG3Q3bkH_0
Israel Admits MOSSAD Is ISIS.. "MUST WATCH" !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sylmmj5evA4
Last point:
Attackers says that Islam is a religion of fight and murder. To show this they show some verses from Quran. And to show this they take verses one by one from different chapters. In fact almost every verse is connected to another or the others verses following one after the other. Here are the verses they choose to blame us, but I am writing the all verses before and after the verse they show. These verses told to muslims to fight against pagans who attacked them. Muslims went to Mecca to be pilgrims but pagans were attacking them. They were afraid to go because with pilgrim clothes you couldn't carry swords etc..
2.190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
2.191 And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al-Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
2.192 And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
2.193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
2.194 [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
2.195 And spend in the way of Allah and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.
**here in 196 God explains how to complete pilgrimage**
2.196 And complete the hajj and ‘umrah for Allah. But if you are prevented, then [offer] what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And do not shave your heads until the sacrificial animal has reached its place of slaughter. And whoever among you is ill or has an ailment of the head [making shaving necessary must offer] a ransom of fasting [three days] or charity or sacrifice. And when you are secure, then whoever performs ‘umrah [during the hajj months] followed by hajj [offers] what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And whoever cannot find [or afford such an animal] – then a fast of three days during hajj and of seven when you have returned [home]. Those are ten complete [days]. This is for those whose family is not in the area of al-Masjid al-Haram. And fear Allah and know that Allah is severe in penalty.
In Quran most fight-battle word is used for non-believers(pagans) who first attacked Muslims living in Madina. In fact God usually says that He protects other believers who says His name in their holy places.(Although in Quran He warns Christians and Jews several times that He doesn't have a son and human has given up worshiping Him, and begun to worship His prophets)
22.38 - Indeed, Allah defends those who have believed. Indeed, Allah does not like everyone treacherous and ungrateful.
22.39 - Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory.
22.40 - [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right – only because they say, “Our Lord is Allah.” And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
22.41 - [And they are] those who, if We give them authority in the land, establish prayer and give zakah and enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong. And to Allah belongs the outcome of [all] matters.
22.42 - And if they deny you, [O Muhammad] – so, before them, did the people of Noah and ‘Aad and Thamūd deny [their prophets],22.43 - And the people of Abraham and the people of Lot, 22.44 - And the inhabitants of Madyan. And Moses was denied, so I prolonged enjoyment for the disbelievers; then I seized them, and how [terrible] was My reproach.
Can we kill Christians and Jews? Read what God says in Quran;
29.46- And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”
God wants us to behave well to people of books. If you attack us we will attack you. If not we must live together in peace.
pls watch from 24:35 (rights of enemies) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nePX88H402o
begin from 56:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KETT-2IrC6k
Holy war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNl0ke1oKx0
If you want to read more about jihad, pls click;
http://www.aboutjihad.com/
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/kill.asp
60.8 - Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
This is another verse from Quran which has the order of finishing slavery. God orders Muslims to set the captives free either by taking some ransom or freely.
47.4 - So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah – never will He waste their deeds.
If you don't set them free, you should feed them as if they are a member of the family. You can't insult them.
* Do you still think this religion is a religion of fierce, force, war, hate etc?
There are some verses of peace on home page, pls look at left to go to home page or
http://facts-of-islam.blogspot.com.tr/
If a nation tries to harm a muslim society because of his religion or try to expel muslims from their lands, we have right to jihad(fight) with enemies.. If not, muslims should live in peace, peacefuly.
After war, when muslims captured enemy soldiers, prophet Muhammad said that "anyone who teaches reading and writing to one muslim then I would let him go"
Normally, a muslim can't fight with a muslim. Because God tells that "you are brothers". But still there is an exception(option) of fight between two muslim societies. Condition is in the verse;
49.9 - And if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah. And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
Easy isn't it?; imagine: one muslim society attacks another, they use violence or even kill the other ones, then a third muslim society can attack the other attacker to set the peace between them and make them obey to God's rules.
Conclusion: Today what Palestinians do to Israelians is their right. Even all muslims can dare and come together and attack Israel for what they have been doing to Palestinians. (Israel wants to expel them from their lands by force) And now today muslim countries are attacking other one to set peace, Because that muslim group is attacking other muslims. They use violence.
What? Who? Turkey and Iraq are fighting against ISIS.
You have read the verses above. If Israel and Isis stop the violence, muslims must stop too.
Pls read Discussion-2, too. A lecturer is telling Islam and giving info about jihad too. Discussion-2
2.190 - Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
For more info, you can read the chapter "Muhammad" http://allahsquran.com/read/verses.php?ch=47
Does Quran say "kill christians and jews"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-jX7-C0TPU&t=4s
Second subject I want to write about is the marriage of Prophet Muhammad. Again attackers say that he married with a 9 year old girl. Whether it is right or wrong, there is only one thing. If God had warned him about that, he wouldnot have married. Do we know that the society of his time, both muslims and pagans, christians(in kingdoms), criticised him for his marriage with a very young lady? I don't know. What I know is, there is no warning about that in Quran. So what is the issue here? In fact there is no. Because in those years, even early before 7 th century or from 10th to 17th or 20th century, little girls(today we think; little girls) who came to an age of 9-11-14 and who menstruated could get married. We know lots of examples from Christian society too. If the society didn't develope mentaly that much today, maybe we would live in villages and marry with little girls. Can you assume that? Think the events in their time and way of life. Don't compare with today. And we are not sure if Ashia was 9. There is still a medical reality. Girls of south and hot places menstruate earlier than the girls of north, cold places. I don't say that go and get marry a girl from Arabia. Just state a fact.
The one and only truth about marriage in Islam is, the girl who is going to marry must give the decission of her marriage; so she has to be old enough to give that decission. No compulsion.
1- Aisha had an elder sister. She died when she was 100 years old. It is certain, no doubt. And we know that sister was 10 years older than Aisha.
2- When Aisha was a little girl, his parents gave a promise to a pagan family(no islam at that time) that Aisha and their son would marry when they got old enough. But when Aisha's parents chose Islam, other family broke the promise.
3- If prophet and Aisha got married at the age of 9, she must have been 18 years old when prophet died. In fact she was much older than that age.
When we collect all those historical knowledge, we know that Aisha was at least 17 years old when she got married with prophet. And some say she was 18, some 19.. but we know she wasn't 6 or 9 or 12..
In Quran there are verses about orphans. If a family grew/looked after/fed an orphan in the family(because his/her family died ) and if that orphan had possessions, verse says "Give their possessions to them when they are old enough to manage it" So Can a 6 or 9 or 12 year old child manage his/her possessions and give logical decisions? NO.. Can a small child say easily that she wants to divorce from her husband? NO.. So a small girl couldn't get married at the age of 6-9-12 etc..
Those lies once was produced by Islam haters or maybe by false people who wanted to marry with little girls. Please watch the videos below. they r short.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wj16TJeuXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt7vS7kxc50
Our prophet Muhammad got married several times but he had 6 kids only from Hatice and one from another. Four daughters three sons. All his sons died when they were little babies. He didnot have any other kids from any other wives. So you can't know that what kind of sexual life he had with his wives, because some of them were married only because to save them from poverty.
In the old societies and in conservative societies still there is a big problem with the women who live alone. Her husband may die or she may be divorced and if she doesn't have kids, people(men) of neighbourhood can disturb the women. So a lonely woman needs to marry not to be disturbed. Because of the wars in the past men died and lots of women were alone. Islam has found a solution to that, but people criticise. We want to learn what did the women of WW II do when their husbands died in the war?? We know lots of stories of middle ages and 1940s, 50s.
The rule for getting married to four women is; God says that you have to be equal to your wives, if you can not, you had better marry one. (equal means: sexual, feeding, dressing all things) you mustn't behave in false manner. So you have to trust yourself to get this decision. If you can't be equal, you will be a bad sinner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBAZlZOIZFo&t=2s
Today in all countries, in all socities a married man can sleep with another woman. Some have seperate houses, his wife doesn't know that. Instead of being a sinner, it is better to have four wives if you dare to behave equally.
24.3 - Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry any but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.
WOMEN in ISLAM
Must women use-wear hicap(veil) in Islam? Yes...In christianity..YES..short video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSE8HrFu7Dc
